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Refugees welcome! Some words to all these Nazis… #refugeeswelcome #ichbinkeinnaziaber ‪#‎wellcomechallange‬ ‪#‎welcomechallange‬ #‎mundaufmachen‬

Dear friends of the Linux Counter Project!refugeesunitedklein

Many people already said many words about the current situation. But I feel the need to also say some few words about this, especially about the current situation in Germany.

Currently there are many people, most of them in the eastern part of germany, that doesn’t seem to have learned from the past and I want to say some words in german for these people, since I’m also german and I’m really greately ashamed of what they are saying and doing right now!

Dear refugees, please keep in mind, that these people are only a very, very small part of the germans and that all others are much more friendly and wish you a warm welcome!

If you want to read my german answer to all of these xenophobian, brown…. peoples, please scroll down.
Wenn Du meine Antwort an all diese xenophobischen, braunen…. Leute lesen willst, dann skrolle weiter.


Liebe NPD’ler, Nazis, “Braune”, Skins, Glatzköpfe, Rassisten, Xenophoben!

Und damit spreche ich vor allem all Jene an, die immer und immer wieder ganz scheinheilig den Satz mit “Ich bin kein Nazi, aber…” beginnen und dabei vermutlich nicht einmal selbst bemerken, dass sie sich damit bereits in die braune Ecke begeben haben.

Ihr steht da in #freital , #heidenau , #nauen oder auch in anderen Orten und spielt Euch scheinheilig als Menschenrechtler und Menschenschützer auf, und beginnt fast jeden Satz mit “Ich habe nichts gegen Flüchtlinge, aber…“. Ihr schmeißt Steine und Fäkalien auf Flüchtlingsheime, bepinkelt öffentlich Flüchtlingskinder in der S-Bahn, zündet Flüchtlingsheime an, prügelt Flüchtlinge zusammen oder fahrt sie einfach über den Haufen.

Seid Ihr tatsächlich der Meinung, dass sich dadurch irgend etwas ändert, das Euer Tun auch nur die kleinste Wirkung zeigt? Seid Ihr wirklich so naiv zu denken, das Eure Handlungen die Flüchtlinge von Deutschland fern halten würden?

Überlegt doch einfach einmal ganz logisch: Wie schlecht muss es jemandem gehen, wenn er oder sie mit 600 anderen Flüchtlingen zusammen auf ein kleines Fischerboot steigt um damit bei maximal 25 prozentiger Überlebenschance das Meer zu überqueren? So etwas kann man doch nur tun, wenn die Überlebenschance im eigenen Land NOCH geringer ist.
Und dann denkt einmal daran, wie hoch die Wahrscheinlichkeit ist dass jemand der mit maximal 25 prozentiger Überlebenschance hier her gekommen ist und hier von (hoffentlich mindestens) 95% der Bevölkerung warm, herzlich und vor allem hilfsbereit empfangen wird, durch Euer Tun wieder aus Deutschland verschwindet. Na? Richtig, sie ist gleich Null. Also lasst es doch bitte  einfach bleiben. Es hat doch eh keinen Sinn.

Wenn Euch alleine dieser Gedanke nicht weiter hilft, dann vielleicht der Nächste – und das geht vor allem an all Jene in den oben genannten Städten:

Erinnert Euch doch einmal bitte an die Zeit vor 1989. Erinnert Euch doch bitte an die Zeit in der IHR Vollpfosten alles dafür gegeben hättet Euer Land zu verlassen und sogar unter Lebensgefahr in den Westen Deutschlands geflüchtet wäret! Und dann denkt an die Zeit nach 1989 in der wir EUCH das Geld in den Arsch geblasen haben!

Achso, Ihr habt ja nichts gegen Flüchtlinge, aber…. Nun gut, wieso stellt Ihr Euch dann vor eben diese Flüchtlinge hin oder vor die Flüchtlingsheime und jagt diesen armen Menschen die sowieso schon echt genug Angst haben, noch mehr Angst ein? Wieso richtet Ihr Eure Wut gegen Jene, gegen die Ihr ja nichts habt? Wieso wendet Ihr Euch nicht an die Politiker die wirklich daran schuld sind, dass wir Flüchtlinge aufnehmen?

Bitte denkt dran, die Welt ist bunt und nicht braun!

Wenn Euch die Politik von Deutschland nicht passt dann geht wählen, unterschreibt Petitionen, oder tut sonst irgend etwas Anständiges um die Politiker auf den Missstand aufmerksam zu machen. Aber jagt den armen Menschen die unter größter Lebensgefahr ihr Land verlassen haben in der Hoffnung, hier eine Überlebenschance zu haben, nicht noch mehr Angst ein!

Und an alle Jene die es bis jetzt immer noch nicht verstanden haben und bereits die nächsten Gewalttaten gegen Flüchtlinge planen sage ich nur:

Leute, Ihr seid die armseligsten Heuchler, die mir je untergekommen sind! Wenn ich nicht so ein Menschenfreund wäre würde ich Euch wohl nur zu gerne ausgerottet sehen.

 

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#refugeeswelcome #ichbinkeinnaziaber ‪#‎wellcomechallange ‪#‎welcomechallange‬ #‎mundaufmachen‬

 

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   16 Comments


  1. Jos Vos
      2015-09-07

    Please keep this Linux site FREE of completely unrelated non-technical political discussions. I’m shocked to see this article here, especially because it contains a very strong political opinion formulated in an (IMHO) pretty agressive way.

    • Nikola M.
        2015-09-11

      I concur, person posting such article here and including it in mailing list, should be removed form position of managing site and mailing list for misuse on personal non related agenda.
      Such persons does not deserve to be in chagre on anything, because thay have a problem distinguishing their pesonal things that should be on their blogs, not connected with project-related stuff.

  2. Hiisi
      2015-09-10

    I’m really upset seeing it here. Remarkable unprofessional to mix this **** with linux counter project.

  3. Petr Jakes (Czech Republic)
      2015-09-10

    WTF is this article doing here? And I agree with Jos Vos. Very strong aggressive socialistic opinion. Reality will give him a lesson.

  4. crnigrad
      2015-09-10

    In contrast to other comments, I am really GLAD AND HAPPY to see this post here. I don’t read German very good, so I can’t understand exactly everything said, but I get the point, and I share the attitude. These issues are very important, they talk about how advanced and humane, or backwards and brutal instead, we are as a society and as a civilization. We should speak everywhere about this, especially on site like this. Using Free Software, like the Linux kernel, is not just a technical choice, but also, and more importantly, an ethical one.
    Comments like those from Hiisi and Jos Vos are not only sadly insensitive, but also utterly uninformed.
    As a fellow Linux user, a fellow EU-citizen, and as a citizen of a country that has also seen the brutalities of war less than 20 years ago, but most importantly AS A HUMAN BEING, I am happy to see this site taking the advanced and humane side, and showing it off.
    REFUGEES WELCOME!

    FB

    • Alexander Löhner
        2015-09-11

      Thanks!

  5. Nikola M.
      2015-09-11

    Why don’t you keep your political sheite to yourself and don’t bother the rest of the world with your PERSONAL problems.
    If you don’t understand why this type of political stupidity is unconnectable to professional work of maintaining this site, project and mailing list, you should resign from your position and give it to someone more sane.
    I am questioning your sanity over such unrelated posts and call for your removal from managing this site and lists.
    Keep it to your personal blogs and political parties meetings and GTFO.
    I might as weel unsubscribe, because NO one asked me to even subscribe to this political and Linux-unrelated list.

  6. Alexander Löhner
      2015-09-11

    I’m not planning to reply to each of the comments explicitely. Just some few words as a general response:

    The Linux Counter exists since 22 years (1993) and this was the very first and only posting about a very, very important and red hot political and ethical issue that threatens to escalate in a very extrem, inhuman way. Calling the project or the newsletter an Linux-unrelated list shows off how intolerant some peoples are. And in this case I really doubt, that this intolerance stops at websites…

    Writing such a posting here, on a project page that has a great community and many visitors each day is the only chance to reach some more people than just only my friends circle. And your replys to my posting are showing, that I am right.

    Linux and of course the Linux Counter also, are standing for freedom, tolerance and internationality! What else would make more sense than writing such a posting here?

    I partially agree, that the last sentence in my posting above may be too agressive. But to be honest, the aggressiveness of journalists that hits young children when they are fleeing driven by a very great fear, seems much higher to me than whatever I could have written.

    Best regards
    Alex

    • Norbert
        2015-09-11

      True is, this is a technical site. But also true is, tech engeneers should not ignore what happens in the world around. Open Source also means Open Thinking by the people who use and develope it.We are not sitting in a glass house and in my opinion we should stand up for basic and essential human rights.
      In general this site should not be used for political discussions, but in this special case it is absolutely necessary to think out of the box and therefor many thanks to Alexander for his statement..
      Regards Norbert

  7. paczor
      2015-09-12

    Linux is OS and have nothing with politics. Linux started because of Minix license.
    It was always for me like being in Apollo mission, nothing from the land below should interfere with what happens in Apollo vehicle. If we’ll break this rule somebody can just send us in cold cosmos just because we said words he cannot accept.
    It is sad that nobody is brave enough to just delete this article and return to old good times.

  8. Petr
      2015-09-12

    https://www.facebook.com/sanewsheadlines/posts/1625428931043900 Maybe this will help to remove idealistic sunglasses.

  9. AnonLinuxUser
      2015-09-14

    Hello all! Yes i like it that Alex posted this, but linuxcounter.net is the wrong place for this. Do you know why? Its because Linux is technically related and if you post a highly emotional topic like this, it is for many more not easy to handle. Especially if you have some woolly definitions through language translations between the people. So i support the opinion to post that on a more personal related page, like a Blog.

    At Norbert:
    “We are not sitting in a glass house and in my opinion we should stand up for basic and essential human rights.” Yes, this is also true. But again, there are other places to operate on or in your concern. Like NGOs as Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch.

    At Petr:
    Don’t trust all Stuff that posted on the internet. If you have no source or don*t know the source just skip that kind of information. If you find more then one user that come with different perspectives, different pictures of that scene, you could nearly trust it.

    At Petr Jakes and Jos Vos:
    We have in Germany some kind of genetically legacy, you know about our history and that sh*t. Especially in social media networks and here, we often misunderstood the participants political view. So if someone post “This cat is sweet and cute.” someone post “No it isn’t”. Then many people could not make distinctions between: “Someone don’t like cats” or “This Cat is not Cute” or “It did not really look like a Cat.” and much more. What i want to say: I think you don’t understood Alex post enough to see that this is a post against nationalism, against violence. Its for humanity, peace and something like this. And yes he do not see the long story that could run behind this, and Alex don’t know why its better to cooperate on a neutral technical Level. He is airfreight that you could be a Nazi, because you don’t like his Post (or Cat). Political stuff is more complicated, especially by big discussions out there and so on. So i just want to clarify that i don’t think that you are congenially to “Nazis”. Just if you thought it: Alex and Norbert are not too.

    But Yes, please keep this place free from political topics.

    At Alex:
    “Writing such a posting here, on a project page that has a great community and many visitors each day is the only chance to reach some more people than just only my friends circle. And your replys to my posting are showing, that I am right.” No, as i described before you could and should not interpret that you are right. Your friends are enough, because you are not a journalist. And your topic is highly geographically, so its ok when 80 percent of the World does not care about at theirs high rated problems. If you want to help, do some donations, speak with the people in your street, with the refugees or go and play football with them. Help them out with free WLAN. Speak with the People at your work, but not on the internet.

  10. Jos Vos
      2015-09-16

    It’s interesting to see that keywords as freedom and tolerance are used in some of the “justifications”, while it is obviously not even allowed to have an different opinion than socialistic, political correct ones (and I didn’t even express a political opinion in my first comment). Speaking about freedom and tolerance…

  11. Petr Jakes (Czech Republic)
      2015-09-16

    To AnonLinuxUser:
    You are not offending anybody here and trying to fairly explain your attitude. Perfect.
    My reply to all your comments:

    A rule of thumb: Think about yourself (your family, your nation …) first. FULL STOP

    All those socialistic (politically correct… call it as you want) s**ts are doing one thing, which Margaret Thatcher commented perfectly: They [socialists] always run out of other people’s money.
    It is easy to invite all the immigrants to the pub, when you don’t pay the bill.

    BTW, Lenin was calling those idealists “useful idiots” (please note, I used to live in real socialism,so I have some experiences with this :o) ).

    But back to the topic: believe me, all this immigrants tsunami is very well organized by criminals. They intentionally encourage more and more people from undeveloped countries by fake promises, to go to EU (sorry. to Germany, to be more precise), because they want to get more and money from them.
    You can see the similar stories looking back to the history, inviting letters to New Zealand and so on… But those people were ready to work really hard to get their bread – because no supporters/no donations.

    So my opinions:
    1) control/protect perfectly the EU border (i think Swiss does it very well for example and nobody cares :o) )
    2) show very strongly we are not open for illegals (no passport = illegal)
    3) make a big campaign in source countries, explaining EU is not a paradise and it is necessary to work here
    4) finally, when you have the things under control, try to help, try to select, who is the economical/criminal migrant and who is the war REFUGEE.

    How does that sound to you? Is it a pragmatical and fair solution/attitude?
    Australia, Canada and many other countries are doing the same thing and no problems.

    Petr

    PS: An other eye opener: The Bill of No Rights
    http://www.friesian.com/ross/ca40/noright.htm

    PSPS:
    We have BIG experiences here, in the Czech republic, with Gypsies. We are trying to integrate them for more than 60 years. No success… they just want more and more money, crying they are discriminated and so on.
    One question: Have you ever seen Gypsies in leisure centers, sport clubs, football stadiums, athletics ovals. Nearly never ever in my country … Why? Just because they are different. Not bed. Just different. Ask mother Nature why. Life is not fair, isn’t it? :o)

  12. JaspEr
      2015-09-20

    I understand You are writing to Your fellow German anti-immirants, but it so happens, although I’m not German, I’m against accepting all those immigrants (do not confuse them with refugees).
    I come from a country that suffered alot (also from Germany) and I couldn’t resist to interpret it also as a message to me (though my German is bare good enough to understand few words).
    What I don’t like here i being called by Nazi by someone from country which literrally flooded this Wolrd with Nazism and expect some appology.

  13. Jos Vos
      2015-09-28

    The best summary I’ve seen so far on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIcltV7r-nM

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